tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN May 2, 2013 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
>> it's a beautiful sight indeed. congratulations to everyone involved. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront," next after eight months, u.s. officials say they know who attacked the american consulate in libya. plus, who is the american sentenced to 15 years of hard labor in north korea? and how did he end up there? and a woman declared dead for a decade and then out of the blue appears. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett. we begin with breaking news. we have new details about al qaeda's role in the deadly benghazi attacks that killed four americans.
according to a senior u.s. law enforcement official, three or four yemeni men from al qaeda took part in the terrorist attack on the american consulate in benghazi last september. u.s. officials knew it was a terrorist attack within 24 hours and that the terrorists were linked to al qaeda. but it is only now, nearly eight months after the deadly assault, that we're finally learning some details. cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr is out front with the latest. obviously specifics here that there are three or four men, how they were related, what they were doing with al qaeda. why are we just learning this now? >> well, to be very blunt, erin, it's because cnn keeps asking the questions. our national security team, our executive editor, tim lister, keeping on this week after week, month after month. and what we now know is that law enforcement indeed has identified what they believe are three or four men that may have been involved in this. not just al qaeda, as you just pointed out, quite correctly,
but al qaeda from the arabian peninsula. that's al qaeda in yemen, one of the most dangerous al qaeda affiliates. nobody can tell us yet whether these men were already in libya for some period of time when the benghazi attack unfolded or whether they were sent in particularly to conduct this attack. but it's an indicator, al qaeda under pressure, al qaeda looking for targets, but al qaeda still able to move men around great distances, has planning and communications capability. it's something that should worry everybody, erin. >> absolutely, barbara. as everyone's tried to figure out where these men came from, according to the source that you and tim have been speaking to, these men were traced back, at least part of their trip to northern mali where i understand the trail went cold. what do they know about these guys? who are they? >> right. they don't know -- they don't -- we don't believe they know where they are right now, but let's go back to what you were saying. mali, of course, where you traveled just a few months ago,
one of the first to look at the al qaeda threat in north africa. viewers should remember that you were pointing out a good deal of this, one of the key al qaeda-related jihadist leaders in mali, it's believed these men in the benghazi attack may have communicated with him. that goes back to the central point you now have a al qaeda network spread not just across north africa but with possible connections back to yemen, back to pakistan, really, you know, this network still up and running and very much a matter of concern as they still try to make some arrests and solve the benghazi attack. erin? >> barbara, thank you very much. barbara starr reporting there on that significant development on the benghazi attacks. now our second story "outfront," an american sentenced to 15 years in a north korean labor camp. the united states is asking the communist country to free
44-year-old kenneth bay of lingwood, washington, after sentencing him to 15 years of hard labor this week. now, bay operates tours in north korea, and you see him there. he's been detained since november. north koreans charged him with committing quote, unquote, hostile acts against the state. bay says he was in the country legally, though. and the timing of the sentencing raises serious questions about north korea's motives. the united states, of course, locked in a standoff with kim jong-un over his nuclear ambitions, and the regime there has a history of using detained americans as a bargaining chip. "outfront" tonight, cnn's dan rivers in seoul with the latest on the situation. dan, what can you tell us about kenneth bay? >> well, he is a naturalized u.s. citizen. he has been running towards into north korea from neighboring china for several years. he's never had any problems. we know he was there with a valid tourist visa. he went to the university of oregon. that's where he then became a
naturalized citizen living in washington state. for a while his mother lives in lingwood, washington state. his father still lives here in south korea. it's really a mystery, though, exactly why he's being charged with this attempt to topple the regime, as they're telling us. the whole trial took place very quickly in two days. he was sentenced to 15 years on the same day, and now officials in the united states are struggling to find out exactly what he's done and how they can get him free. >> dan, i know in 2009, the north koreans did something similar, taking two american journalists, one of whom is going to be with me in just a moment, captive, former president bill clinton was the one who ended up traveling to north korea. and without him, they would have been in a labor camp now. is kim jong-un trying to take a page out of his father's playbook? do exactly what his father did then? >> exactly. i think all the analysts we've spoken to have suggested exactly that. this is all part of a grand strategy by the new young leader, kim jong-un, to try and
force the hand of the americans to get into some sort of direct sort of negotiation with them, even if that's through a former president like bill clinton, possibly jimmy carter as well. he was involved with the release of another american in 2010, although his people telling me in the last 24 hours that he is not planning to go to north korea for this case. he's not been invited. it opens up the question, well, who is going to go in and sort this out and make sure kenneth bay is free? >> a crucial question. and if no one does, what happens? 15 years of hard labor? if anyone knows what it is like to be held captive by north korea, it is yu-na lee. she was in the communist nation for 140 days in 2009 after being detained with fellow journalist laura ling. the two were together working on a story about human trafficking between china and north korea when they were taken in custody. lee was kept in isolation, repeatedly interrogated and sentenced to 12 years hard labor
for illegally entering the country and once again for quote, unquote, hostile acts. she was released after 4 1/2 months after former president clinton negotiated her freedom. she's written a book about her ordeal called "the world is bigger now." and she is "outfront" tonight. and thank you very much. just even hearing that and reliving it. apparently there are, according to the state department, 130,000 people who are political prisoners, you know, google earth has shown us a sense of north korea where some of these camps might be. you came really close to going to one of these. what will happen to kenneth bay if he goes to a labor camp? >> according to -- from my research, it would be very hard for him. i remember how i had all these feelings, anger and frustration and humiliation that i was going through. and when i heard the verdict for 12 years, i was just crashing in front of the judges. and i just can't -- you know,
you can just imagine being separated from your family. >> you have a daughter. >> yeah, my daughter was 4. and back then i could not believe i wouldn't see her until she turned 16. i'm sure it must be really hard for him to be separated from family and cannot have any communications. he's alone, by himself. all the people who acts as guards probably are interrogators. >> we don't have many details about these camps. people like you who have gotten close to them or the people who from satellites, some as large apparently as 200 square miles. and we went to look at camp 25, one of the ones we're apparently able to look at from the images. we've labeled these, viewers, but i'm just going to highlight some of them. gallos, reported crematory, prisoner housing. this makes it sound like a nazi concentration camp. and then another image of this camp 25, a close-up of the prison wall, where you can see
the shadow of the barbed wire. there's no way you could have been prepared to do this. i mean, i know you're thinking 12 years, and you and laura were separated. it's not like you had each other. >> no. yeah, we did not see each other until the day before we came home. just being -- having no news from the outside. and you don't know what's going on with your status. it's just fearful. it just gives you fear. i remember only resources, the only news i received was from letters from friends and family. even strangers who supported us. and that was so encouraging me to go one more day. and i hope people -- you know, i don't know how much we can do for him at this moment, but i hope people can write to him and encourage him and hope that he can come home. and also, i hope that the leader of the prk will have it in his heart to free this man and
pardon him on humanitarian grounds. >> as we said, his job was to lead tours to north korea, which he had done before. obviously, he could be going to these camps apparently now within ten days of his sentencing. they may move him quickly. they may not. it's unclear. what were your conditions like? i know you didn't end up going to the camp, but what were the conditions like? how did they take care of you in north korea? >> i wasn't mistreated physically, but my mental, like emotional status, was very unstable because you don't know tomorrow. i wasn't sure when i was going to go somewhere. >> so every day you thought, i could -- >> right. and they were discussing to move us, locate us to somewhere. i wasn't sure if it would be a labor camp or somewhere else. and worse than where i was detained. so i was just hoping that, please, do not relocate me anywhere else. if i leave this place, it will be home. that was my only hope.
>> and now you're home. >> yes. >> with your daughter. and we hope kenneth will have the blessing of that, too. >> i hope so, too. >> euna, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> for sharing your story. and still "outfront," investigators are looking into a possible human trafficking ring being run out of washington, d.c. and then should guns be marketed to kids younger than 10 years old? because guess what? they are. what if you thought your mother died a decade ago, and then suddenly she reappeared? a truly confounding and true story. and up next, live to the scene of a wildfire raging in california. homes and lives in its path. this is -- it's pretty incredible when you're able to see where our paul vercammen is when we come back. can ship like a big business. just go online to pay, print and have your packages picked up for free. we'll do the rest. ♪
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and breaking news tonight on massive wildfires. they're burning right now in the los angeles area. and just five hours today, this wildfire went from -- just take a pause here and listen to these numbers -- ten acres to 6,500 acres. whole neighborhoods are still being threatened by the flames. hundreds of firefighters are now scrambling to put them out. 10 acres to 6,500 acres in five hours. paul vercammen is "outfront" in one of the main locations here, new bury park. paul, what can you tell us? it is impossible to even imagine the speed with which that fire spread. >> reporter: erin, you're absolutely right because we were in the middle of it. it was just a firestorm, and it came blazing through newbury park. look up over here, and you can see these are very upscale homes. you can see some smoke back there, fire burning. but they used fire to fight fire, and they cut off the advance by burning that
hillside. if we wheel over here, you can see another massive plume of smoke right there, and you can see fire cresting up this hill. they plan to also attack fire with fire and burn right up that hillside. fire burns very quickly uphill. that's the strategy that's going to happen soon. these are $1 million homes, $2 million homes. as you know from your business reporting, erin, amgen is headquartered in newbury park. great neighborhood. a lot of white-dollar jobs. right now they're breathing a sigh of relief in this neighborhood because it was absolutely so horrific a so intense. and from what we understand, yes, some houses might have been slightly scorched, but they have not lost any houses on this massive fire. and right now still 0% containment. and you can tell, because you can see a huge dark plume in there, and any time you see that dark smoke, that means fuel and brush is burning. that direction is the pacific ocean. and i can tell you that's mainly chaparral and brush. so no homes threatened right
there. but they are going to have to cut off that advance at some point. >> paul, you talk about 0% containment and a fire that spread in five hours about 6,500%. earlier today, a little bit ago, you were in the midst of some incredible smoke. how bad was it being in the middle of it? and how much worse could it get given how quickly it's spread so far? >> reporter: well, first off, it was just horrific when that fire burned near us because there's a lot of cul-de-sacs that are just like this in newbury park. and what would happen is, they would fight it with fire and another means, and then the fire would just ring the neighborhood, and it would get so dark in there, you couldn't see further than 15 feet, and you have to be extremely careful because of the embers. we were wearing goggles and whatnot, and that saved us. now, how worse can it get? this is what all fire officials are telling me that they fear. it's only early may. for them, this is supposed to be late summer or fall weather. >> right. >> reporter: we have had two years in a row in california of
absolutely dry conditions. 25% of average rainfall. so they're concerned because everything is just so horrendously dry here, erin. >> well, paul, thank you very much. we appreciate it. as you can see, that smoke that he was in the middle of just gives you a sense of the power and speed with which this wildfire is spreading. tonight a family is trying to come to terms with the fact that the mother and former wife that they thought had died more than ten years ago has been alive the whole time. she's back. brenda heist vanished in 2002. that's how she looked then. she dropped her two children off at school in central pennsylvania. she was going through a tough time. she was going through a divorce. and she disappeared. miss in her hometown were baffled by her disappearance. her family eventually declared her dead as her former husband told cnn today. >> we felt that perhaps she had been carjacked because of where the car was found. we never knew for sure. but i really did think that she
had died. >> the now 53-year-old turned up in key largo, florida, this week. turned herself in looking frail, as you can see, with bealeach blonde hair. she confessed to officers they traveled there on a whim, that day meeting a group of homeless hitchhikers in a park. >> she was pretty much at the end of her rope down there, living on the streets. i mean, i think she just has had it. her health wasn't good. and she was just tired of running. >> heist had two children who that day never thought they'd see their mother again. the children say they're shocked and angry to learn that their mother is alive. they've told their mother they are not ready to speak with her. heist's daughter tweeted, "i don't think anyone could understand my pain for the past 11 years, but i'm strong. and nothing, like brenda c. heist, will take me down." it's a tragedy that seems to get
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our third story "outfront," questions about slavery in a saudi diplomat's home. two women have now been taken from the saudi defense attache's multimillion-dollar home in suburban washington, d.c. and federal authorities have launched an investigation into possible human trafficking. tom foreman is "outfront" with the story. >> reporter: in this $3 million guarded compound, federal officials say a saudi diplomat stands accused by two filipino women of holding them against their will, taking their passports and forcing them to work long hours without pay. the women, domestic workers, were removed by u.s. officials who are now investigating in a stunned neighborhood. >> that is so sad to think that somebody had to cry for help in some way. >> reporter: saudi officials aren't talking, but the u.s. state department has long had
human trafficking issues with saudi arabia, one of the richest countries in the world. u.s. officials say in typical cases, wealthy families recruit low-wage domestic workers from places like bangladesh, pakistan and nigeria with promises of good jobs. but they subsequently face conditions of involuntary servitude including restrictions on movement, withholding of passports, threats, physical or sexual abuse, and nonpayment of wages. and when those families come to the u.s., it gets trickier. tiffany williams handles human trafficking issues for the national domestic workers alliance. >> on the surface, it's an excellent opportunity for domestic workers and women to be able to travel to the united states to support their families. >> reporter: some wealthy family says we need your help, we'll pay you. sploo absolutely. it could be great. the problem is when it's not great, it tends to be really bad. >> reporter: for example in colorado in 2006, a saudi man was convicted of sexually assaulting his indonesian
housekeeper and enslaving her for four years. in florida in 2001, a saudi princess was accused of pushing her maid down a flight of stairs. >> translator: i'm so afraid. i don't know what to do. >> reporter: the princess left the country, pled no contest, and was fined $1,000. prosecuting such cases can be remarkably hard. sometimes the accused have diplomatic immunity, and sometimes the accusers, the victims, are so isolated, no one even knows they are in trouble. erin? >> tom foreman, thank you very much. a story that we are going to continue covering on this show. "outfront" next, who claimed the body of tamerlan tsarnaev? it was claimed late today, and some late-breaking details on the investigation including a piece of evidence the fbi says was hidden from them and where exactly the bombs were made. plus, a big development in the case of ricin sent to the president of the united states. a wrongly accused elvis impersonator, another person arrested, and yes, it has gotten
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fourth story "outfront," breaking news coming in the past few moments. a u.s. law enforcement official tells cnn the bombs detonated at the boston marathon were built in the apartment, a small apartment, where tamerlan tsarnaev lived with his wife and child. and that the initial plan was to carry out the attack on july 4th. let's get right to deb feyerick in boston. deb, why did they move up the attack date? >> reporter: what's so interesting, cnn's susan candiotti has learned from a law enforcement official that in fact one of the reasons they moved up attack dates is simply
that the bomb was ready, and that information is apparently coming through questioning of the younger brother, dzhokhar. he said the bombs were meant to be ready for july 4th, but since they were ready sooner, they decided to step up their attack. it's always been a question as to where they built these devices. but now that u.s. law enforcement official telling susan candiotti that in fact they were built in this apartment. and it was a small apartment where both the -- where tamerlan and his brother, dzhokhar, both of them lived with the wife and the child. and so all of that looking -- being looked at very closely, erin. >> obviously raising a lot of questions. we'll talk to aaron pike given the new information. the bombing suspect, tamerlan tsarnaev, everyone was wondering would he actually be claimed? finally the body was claimed from the massachusetts medical examiner's office two weeks after he died following that shootout with police. our boston affiliate is reporting that this is the funeral home van. you can see there in which
tsarnaev's body was taken. our crew witnessed a police escort at the entryway as the van left. and we've reached out to the funeral home. they have so far refused comment. but deb, what more do we know about the body and who actually claimed it? >> reporter: well, we actually don't know who claimed it. what's interesting is that catherine russell, the widow, has said she didn't want the body. she wanted the body to be returned to the family. and we reached out to several family members. we know that he's got an uncle in maryland, a sister in new jersey, another one in boston, an aunt in toronto. of course, the body could potentially be flown overseas where his parents are right now. but the funeral home not releasing any indication as to who picked up the body or where it's going next. we do know that the death certificate is going to be filed likely tomorrow on friday and at that time we'll know what the cause of death is. you have to remember he died following a brutal shootout with police officers who found him not long after he killed --
allegedly killed a massachusetts police officer. so right now we are looking into who has the body, but it doesn't appear that it's his widow, catherine russell. >> thank you very much, deb feyerick. and his widow, catherine russell, now obviously a crucial player here. as we have the breaking news deb was just reporting, that dzhokhar tsarnaev has now told investigators, according to our susan candiotti, that that bomb was built in that small cambridge apartment in which tamerlan lived with his widow, catherine russell, and their young daughter. it was a small apartment. the bombs were built there. did she know anything about the bombings before or after the fact? aaron mcpike has been following every step katie russell has been taking at her home in rhode island. erin, given this new news about where the bombs were built in this small apartment, do authorities know if katie russell knew anything about that? >> reporter: erin, as you know, they continue to meet with her. investigators were at her
attorney's office this morning. and katie russell was at her attorney's office until about 10:30 this morning. now, erin, i can also tell you that katie russell's attorney told cnn today that they still don't have any answers yet about whether that dna, that female dna, that was found on the bombs in boston catches katie russell's dna. he did, however, say that if it was her dna, it wouldn't necessarily incriminate her -- or it wouldn't incriminate her, really, because of course if you're married to someone, your dna is all over their workplace, too. still no answers from her, and they continue to meet with her, erin. >> and at this point, do you have any sense of, you know, where she's been going? our understanding is obviously she didn't claim the body, but do you have any understanding of whether she's had any contact with anyone else and the tsarnaev family or not? >> reporter: well, erin, on tuesday afternoon, one of the tsarnaev brothers' uncles, his
uncle from maryland, was at her attorney's house. now, i don't know if that uncle actually spoke to catherine, but he was here in rhode island where he does not live. i do know, erin, that katie, after she left her attorney's office today around 10:30, she didn't come back to her house until about 3:00 this afternoon. usually there's a good idea where she's going because she's constantly being monitored by federal agents. but there is a big gap in her day today, erin, so we're not sure just yet. as deb mentioned, she did make clear on tuesday that she wants the remains released to the tsarnaev family and not to her. >> thank you very much, erin mcpike reporting from rhode island on catherine russell. well, today we also learned an important piece of evidence in the case is now in fbi custody. and that is dzhokhar tsarnaev's laptop. this was given to investigators by one of tsarnaev's three friends. they were arrested yesterday. and we're learning more about those friends and their friendship with dzhokhar. brian todd spent the day today
in north dartmouth where two of the suspects lived and where all three attended school at one point with dzhokhar. >> reporter: they could relate to one another from the start. russian speakers, immigrants trying to assimilate into american life. but one of them had been at it longer, and the other two gravitated toward him. dzhokhar tsarnaev's friends and acquaintances say was fully americanized, could move easily in different circles. but the other two from kazakhstan struggled with english and with school here at dartmouth. his lawyer says he befriended tsarnaev because tsarnaev had been in the u.s. for a long time, spoke english well and knew the ropes. but a fellow student at umass dartmouth a the two kazakh students could still create a stir on their own. they liked to get noticed? >> yes. i mean, they had a black car, and i saw their car multiple times last semester. and it was very noticeable
because they played loud music in their cars. and they used to screech their tires all the time. i felt that they wanted to be noticed. >> reporter: this one didn't know the other suspect but says he knew the others from parties they all went to. what were they like socially? >> they were social animals. they used to dance. they used to drink. they used to like to play games together with other people. >> reporter: what kind of games? >> like fifa. >> reporter: video games. in the criminal complaint, he said he repeated liz visited tsarnaev's home and met his family members. they once set off fireworks on the banks of the river with tsarnaev and that tsarnaev told the two kazakhs a month before the marathon attack that he knew how to make a bomb. but there's no indication that any of the three arrested students knew about the marathon plot. before he was accused of
obstruction, his father said he couldn't be involved. >> translator: we were shocked. everyone knows my son. he's never fought anyone. he's never been in touch with any radicals. >> reporter: they were in the class of 2011 at cambridge high school. all four young men enrolled at umass-dartmouth later that year. in a video we believe he posted on youtube, he describes his background in cambridge. >> i grew up in a very mild-mannered way of living. i wasn't too poor, wasn't too rich, just average guy. >> reporter: now friends are trying to piece together how three average guys got caught up with the marathon bombing investigation and may wind up in prison. was it a calculated attempt to deceive investigators? he thinks it may have been just a clumsy effort to help a friend. >> they might have been scared initially because they're international students. they may have panicked. >> reporter: and their arrest has unsettled this small college once again. less than two weeks after law enforcement agencies swarmed this campus and evacuated it
right around the time of dzhokhar's capture. >> thanks very much to you, brian. "outfront," a 5-year-old boy shot accidentally and killed his 2-year-old sister. meanwhile, guns are marketed to kids in this country including this one dubbed "my first rifle." should those ads be banned? plus tonight's "outtake," reese witherspoon apologized for her tirade, but does it add up? w for these veterans of the sky. however, seeing this little beauty over international waters is enough to bring a traveler to tears. we're putting the wonder back into air travel, one innovation at a time. the new american is arriving.
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we're back with an "outfront" update. james everett dutschke accused of sending ricin-laced letters to president obama. he'll remain in jail without an opportunity for bail. it was also ruled that a federal grand jury will determine what charges he'll face. authorities initially arrested an elvis impersonator. in a separate case, dutschke is also facing child molestation charges. even if those charges aren't presented to the jury in the ricin case, paul cowan, our legal analyst, tells us that the charges given the publicity could end up hurting him significantly. an update on another story we've been following. we've learned the walt disney company has stopped production of its merchandise in bangladesh. now, its decision was not a
response to last week's devastating building collapse but to a series of factory fires in the country last fall. which we reported on at the time. disney sent a letter to vendors in march telling them to discontinue production in quote, unquote, high-risk countries of which bangladesh is one. other companies are reacting as well, but the problem is this. safety doesn't trickle down to subcontractors. it will be business as usual. you may think you're buying a well-produced piece of clothing that wasn't built in a horrible place for no money by children, but you'd be wrong. according to one human rights group, bangladeshi garment workers earn the lowest wages on earth. and now to tonight's "outer circle" where we reach out to sources around the world. tonight i want to go to syria where a top government official is denying using chemical weapons against its people. chuck hagel said the united states is rethinking its policy to not arm the syrian opposition.
cnn's fred pleitgen sat down with the information minister. i asked fred what he had to say about the violence. >> reporter: erin, there's more and more fighting going on in and around the damascus area, but also in other parts of syria. and the syrian military says it's making strategic gains. at the same time, of course, there are still those allegations of chemical weapons use. today i was able to speak to syria's information minister, and he said his government did not use chemical weapons. he claims it's islamists fighting with the opposition for using them and he says that countries like the united states and turkey are responsible for those weapons getting into syria. erin? >> thank you, fred. i want to check in with anderson coop we are a look at what's coming up on "a.c. 360." >> we're going to be reporting more on the breaking news that the bombers planned to set off their devices on july 4th. we'll speak to susan candiotti who broke the news. also, imagine your mother just disappeared, vanished, gout. and left. years later, 11 years later,
after she's declared legally dead, she reappears homeless in the state of florida. i'll talk with lee heist. brenda heist on the left 11 years ago, and that's what she looks like today, walk add way from their home outside philadelphia, turned up 11 years later in the florida keys. it's an incredible, bizarre story. the question is, would you be able to forgive your mother if she did that? also, my exclusive interview with the sister of a man sentenced to 15 years of hard labor in north korea. the american citizen, we'll ask her about her brother and whether she thinks he's being used as a bargaining chip by north korea. those stories and the wind-fueled firestorm sweeping through california communities. dramatic pictures. we'll show us just hours from los angeles. whole neighborhoods being evacuated. a lot more at the top of the hour. >> those pictures are incredi e incredible. looking forward to that. see you in a few moments. now this story "outfront," arming america's youth. and i want to emphasize the word youth. the tragic shooting death of a
2-year-old little girl by her 5-year-old brother who used his own gun this week was brought to attention. the gun industry's growing focus on young children as the next generation of customers. for example, take the company crickett.com. its slogan, my first rifle. i don't know if they're making a play on the children's magazine or not. in the corner section, you can see kids holding rifles. they come in pink. this shooting was the fourth in this month in which a child fired a gun at a sibling or a parent. it all raises the question of whether guns should be marketed towards and be put in the hands of children. "outfront" tonight, gail trotter, and stephanie miller. stephanie, let me start with you. the gun used in this week's shooting can be bought online or at outdoor retailers like cabela's. is this outrageous, or is this simply a cultural reality in some parts of the country? >> in what -- do we want to live
in a country where it's a cultural reality, erin, that that's an appropriate gift for your 5-year-old to have loaded around a 2-year-old? really? i mean, that website, what is that, baby's first rifle? do we have baby's first foundry, baby's first combine? really? have we lost our minds collectively? you can lose a dog, erin, i'm a dog rescue person. if you treat a dog inappropriately, it can be taken from your home. in what way is this appropriate parenting? let's start with that. >> gail, what's the answer to that? i mean, you know, you are teaching children who are hopefully going to grow up to use guns responsibly. some parents might say this is how you teach. >> no, absolutely not how you teach. but the cultural reality is that the number one marketer of guns to minors is hollywood. and the creators of violent video games, they're the number two marketer to children. and so we really need as a culture to be looking at the influence of our media, our
hollywood, the video games that we have and what influence that has in attracting children to guns. we need to address that. this advertisement and this company, this is a flea bite on this >> what does that have to do with this? what does that have to do with this? you think it's wise to arm a 5-year-old? do you think it's wise to market guns to 5-year-olds? >> no, i don't. and i think -- >> -- pink -- >> these movies the kids are watching and the video games that teach them how to rapidly reload -- >> again, what do video games have to do with this? >> it has everything to do with it. you're talking about the culture. this little company that no one has ever heard of that has a little advertisement in some, you know, small gun enthusiast magazine has nothing to do with the culture of violence that america is facing right now. and we need to look deep into ourselves. >> let me pose a question to both of you. you know, 5-year-olds, it's very difficult for anyone to understand.
you know, though, i have to say, when i was growing up, i knew a lot of boys at 10 and 11 who went hunting with their fathers. and you teach that to young children and they know how to use guns responsibly. that may be crazy in some places, to others, it isn't. and stephanie, let me ask you about this. some people will say to your point of view if you're talking about accidental death for children. according to the latest government statistics, from 2007, that's the latest we have, nearly 7,000 children died in motor vehicle accidents, 1,000 by drowning, and 1,263 by suffocation, and firearms 138. >> is that okay for those 138 families? that's the thing i don't get. when you vote against, let's say, background checks that 90% of the american people are for because you say, oh, that specifically wouldn't have helped newtown, but it would have helped a lot of other massacres like virginia tech and others.
>> no one would suggest standing advertising on residential swimming pools. and young children have 100 times greater risk of dying in a residential swimming pool than they do when there's a gun in the home. and no one would suggest banning advertising for residential swimming pools. and the 90% figure, that's just ridiculous. because you can't take a complex issue like background checks and put it into a couple of questions on a poll. >> we have way more gun deaths than any country in the world. >> 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year, so that statistically about almost 7,000 defensive gun uses a day. >> you are -- >> that's not correct. >> -- to kill a friend or family member. that's crazy. >> that study is by arthur kellerman. >> hold on. you're talking over each other. i love the tension, but let me ask you this question. at what age would you allow a child to have a gun?
>> are you asking me or stephanie? >> i'm asking stephanie first. >> i'm sorry, erin. what was that? >> what age would you allow a child to have a gun or would you say no one should have one at any point? >> i'm not saying no one should ever have a gun, erin, but what sane person thinks it's okay to market to 5-year-olds and sell guns to 5-year-olds? in the nra, every time they talk, the only solution is more guns. what, only if the 2-year-old were armed, would that have been the better solution so she could defend herself? this is crazy. >> all right. >> this is crazy. >> all right. absolutely not. the key issue is hollywood and the violent video game makers and it's easy for obama and his friends to get big contributions from hollywood to look the other way at the true marketer of guns to minors. >> thanks very much to both of you. appreciate it. obviously a conversation that will continue. . every night, we take a look outside the day's top stories for something we call the
outfront outtake. reese witherspoon found herself in trouble. it was a very unpleasant incident. she was arrested for disorderly conduct after verbally attacking the arresting officer, including saying, do you know who i am? and saying she was pregnant when she wasn't. this morning, she made her first public statement about the incident on "good morning america." >> it's one of those nights, you know, we went out to dinner in atlanta and we had one too many glasses of wine, we thought we were fine to drive and we absolutely were not and we are so sorry and embarrassed. i saw him arresting my husband and i literally panicked. i am so sorry. i was so disrespectful to him. and we are taking responsibility and doing everything in our power to make it right. >> now, that is an apology. look, you can't defend her behavior, but that is the way an apology would be. you've made a bad decision, take responsibility, reach out to the people you've wronged. everyone needs to say, i'm
sorry, i can learn something from reese. including, perhaps, these people. >> i have asked all for their forgiveness. >> for all that i have done, i am so sorry. >> i thought it was time you heard directly from me that i am sorry. >> disgusted at myself. >> i wanted to apologize. >> i'm very, very sorry. >> first, i want to apologize. >> and all i can say is that i apologize. >> what an ending. what did you think of reese's apology? and who do you think still owes america a real apology? let us know @erinburnett. well, still to come, a soup kitchen that will only serve people with citizenship. uh-huh. honey, i got this.
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for almost a year we've been telling you about the rise of fascism growth in greece. during last year's election, golden dawn turned in the fifth best numbers. things have gotten worse in greece and golden dawn is in third place. you see that is a big problem. this morning, golden dawn party officials say, hey, we're going to distribute free food to the poor in greece, just one catch, you have to be a legal citizen to get it. this caused violence, police brought in using pepper spray to
try to break up the violence. you probably hear about the austerity measures in greece and protests and violence and you become numb to it, assume it doesn't apply to you. but consider this, 27% of greeks unemployed, 1932, the year before hitler took power, the unemployment was 30% and started with lower poll numbers than golden dawn. ac "360" starts right now. >> erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. breaking news tonight on the boston bombing. how it might have been worse. the surviving suspect reportedly says he and his brother were considering a july 4th attack. we also have breaking news in southern california, as well. you can see for yourself what is happening there. from a spark to the 7,000 acres on fire just today. you'll see what happened in the smoke and flames surrounded one of our crews. also tonight, the sister, the latest american held captive by north korea pleads for his freedom. the mother of two drops her kids off at school and drops off the radar for 11